Small cyst causing a lot
of pain
I had a CT scan showing a ovarian cyst. The size of the cyst is 1.7
mm (about the size of a penny). The pain began 6 months ago, as a sharp
pain that literally doubled me over. My period began the next day, and
the pain continued so I went to the Dr. and he treated me for kidney
stones (There was a trace amount of blood in my urine). An ultrasound
was done in 5 months ago, and nothing showed on it. On a pelvic exam, he
said he could feel "something", but he didn't know or say
what,other than a "tender spot".
Two months ago I changed Drs. Her initial course of treatment was
the same (kidney stones). The CT scan was done 2 months ago and a pelvic
ultrasound done again last month, after my period. The cyst was still
there, but the pelvic mass had disappeared. I was given a pregnancy
test, which was negative. I had a tubal ligation 9 years ago, so that
was good news to me! What I am wondering is could the cyst have been
there from the beginning, only too small to show on ultrasound? I've had
a feeling that endometriosis could be a possible cause for all this, and
from what I understand, the only way to verify it is through surgery (it
doesn't show on any other types of tests). Something I am also curious
about...why do some women get grapefruit size cysts with no problems,
and I'm experiencing a lot of pain with mine? The Xanax is working, sort
of. I can't take it during the day, because it affects my driving. At
least I'm getting some sleep now. The Dr. also started me on BC pills.
There are several possibilities here. Usually a 1.7 cm cystic area
in the ovary is NOT an ovarian cyst. It is a follicle of the ovary
(egg to be ovulated) or a corpus luteum cyst (gland formed after the
egg was ovulated). Both of these are physiologic changes that should
be watched because they almost always change, go away, and return in
later ovulatory cycles. Almost any reproductive age woman will have
findings like that (1.7 cm cystic area) but they do not generally have
pain.
We are then left with a couple of choices. The cystic area can just
be coincidental and not the cause of the pain or it may still be
causing the pain. Endometriosis is still a possibility and an
endometrioma of the ovary would give pain even though small because
the bleeding in it causes irritation. Having had a tubal ligation 9
years ago is somewhat against endometriosis because most endometriosis
is due to retrograde menstrual flow (not all cases) in which
endometrium goes out the tubes instead of out the vagina. The tubal
prevents that.
Another possibility is that the cystic area is not really in the
ovary but actually closely adjacent to it in the tube or next to the
tube (paratubal cyst). These can sometimes give pain if they twist or
swell.
A this point, it sounds as if your doctor is trying to suppress
ovulation and follicle cyst formation in the ovary using the birth
control pills. If that cystic area goes away or gets smaller at the
next ultrasound but you are still having pain, that would indicate
that the ovary is not the problem. In any case, if the pain keeps up,
you may need a laparoscopic evaluation, assuming this is not a kidney
problem which it sounds as though they don't think it is any more. Why
some women have little pain with large cysts and some have a lot of
pain with little cysts is a mystery. Sometimes it has to do with the
rate of distension of the peritoneal (skin) lining around the ovary.
If it is enlarged rather quickly, there is more pain than if it is
slowly enlarged. Many large cysts get that way over months and don't
hurt as much. A small cyst that twists and swells acutely may have
severe pain just like a kidney stone.
Are complex ovarian cysts
the same as polycystic ovarian disease?
Are complex ovarian cysts the same as polycystic ovarian disease?
Complex ovarian cysts are not the same as polycystic ovarian disease
(PCOD). The ultrasonic appearance of PCOD is multiple follicle
(clear,simple) cysts usually arranged at the periphery of the ovary.
Characteristically there will be more than 4-6 small cystic areas.
Complex cysts are more poorly defined. On ultrasound reports it
usually refers to areas seen that contain cysts but they are not clear
and often they are not distinct. They are different from mixed cystic
and solid cysts however in which the anatomy is clearer but of mixed
consistency. Complex cysts are often hemorrhagic corpus luteum cysts
or follicle cysts with bleeding in them, inflammatory processes such
as pelvic infection, endometriosis of ovary and occasionally dermoid
cysts or other benign tumors of the ovary. As a result they are often
associated with pain and abnormal menses if the former and are
asymptomatic if they are benign tumors of the ovary.
This is to be distinguished from mixed cystic and solid tumors which
are more worrisome and may represent malignancy. Usually they are not
as symptomatic and don't affect menses unless they are fairly large.
What alternatives to
fertility drugs and OCPs to treat polycystic ovaries?
I am 24 yrs old and have just been diagnosed with polycystic
ovaries (PCOD). I want to treat my PCOD and do not want to take fertility
drugs or birth control pills. I know that reducing my weight will help,
but what other treatments are available?
Weight reduction is the single best way to improve ovulation with
polycystic ovaries. Progestins alone (eg., ProveraŽ) for the last
part of the cycle also sometimes helps ovulation. It seems to decrease
some of the high LH values.
Complex cyst on ultrasound
I wrote recently about prolapse and pregnancy. I went to my obgyn
yesterday just for a consultation about surgery to repair the
prolapse. We talked briefly and then he examined me. During this
he felt a mass. He immediately did an ultrasound. He found a cyst
on my left ovary. He said he wasn't sure what type it was. It had
separate pockets within it and he told me he did know that it was a
complex cyst, not a functional cyst. Then he ordered blood work,
and told me to come back in one week he would know more. Dumpy me
being so shocked at the time that I had my first cyst, I never
asked him if the blood work will show what type it is so we can
treat it. I do not want to play the waiting game. I want it out.
So first of all will the blood work show us more about the type
of cyst it is?
He probably obtained what are collectively known as tumor
(cancer) markers. These blood tests are abnormal in certain types
of cancer. The most common ovarian marker used is a CA-125. A complex cyst does not necessarily mean cancer as it
could just as easily represent bleeding into a corpus luteum cyst
or an endometrioma. In fact, under age 40 these complex cysts are
usually benign.
And second knowing it will not go away on its own will he do
something soon?
Here is a list from Clinical Gynecologic Oncology by DiSaia (a
leader in his field) on adnexal masses: indications for surgery.
- Ovarian cystic structure >5 cm that has been followed 6-8 weeks without regression
- Any solid ovarian lesion
- Any ovarian lesion with papillary vegetation on the cyst wall
- Any adnexal mass greater than 10 cm in diameter
- Ascites (fluid in the abdominal/pelvic cavity)
- Palpable adnexal mass in a premenarchal or postmenopausal patient
- Torsion or rupture suspected
Since you are going to have surgery anyway, the cyst can be
evaluated at the time. If because of your age the ovaries are
going to be left in, then the doctor may just do a cystectomy. If
the ovaries are going to be removed anyway (age over 40-45) then
knowing and being prepared for a small chance of malignancy is
better.
How to prevent recurrent ovarian cysts
I just had a laparoscopy for an ovarian cystectomy three days
ago. My cysts were monitored over 6 weeks and were enlarging and
were approximately 7x6cm combined the day of surgery. This was my
second laparoscopy; I had my first one two years ago for the
exact same reason. The cysts caused minimal pain and I am
recovering quickly from the surgery. If anyone wants to know
about laparoscopy from a patient's perspective, let me know...
Here is my question.. Can I avoid all this trouble by going on
the pill? And how long would I need to be on it? Forever? I am
twenty-two years old.
Recurrent ovarian cysts are thought to be due to abnormal
follicle development which is part of the process that results in
ovulation each month. Birth control pills may block ovulation but
be sure you are prescribed ones that are strong enough to block
ovulation. Some of the low dose ones and some of the triphasic
pills tend not to block ovulation.
There is no answer that I know of as to how long to stay on
pills. It may be that you can take them for a couple of years and
then stop and the problem doesn't recur. On the other hand
sometimes women have a cyst forming tendency for many years.
My doctor said my cysts were mucosa cysts and she isn't sure if
the pill would help. Do you know why she might think that?
I'm not familiar with the term, mucosa cysts. If by that
she means mucinous cysts (pseudomucinous cystadenoma) or
epithelial cysts (serous cystadenoma) then birth control pills
will not stop those from forming. They only work on ovulatory or
follicular cysts.
Possibly cancerous mass after ruptured appendix
I'll try to give you a brief history to bring you up to date.
Seven years ago, I had laparoscopic surgery for endometriosis.
Very little was found but I had massive adhesions. The
endometriosis and adhesions were removed. Two weeks later I had
surgery again because adhesions had quickly grown back and were
attaching to my bowel and causing great pain.
Six years ago, I had a ruptured abdominal ectopic pregnancy on
the right side with no actual damage found. No endometriosis or
adhesions were found.
Four years ago, I had a full term pregnancy and live birth. Last
year, I had a second ectopic pregnancy. This time it was at
the tip of my right fallopian tube. The doctor removed a small
portion of the tube and massive endometriosis. I was later told
at that stage of a pregnancy it isn't abnormal to find a lot of
endometriosis if you have been known to have it. Because of the
two ectopics I am now seeing a fertility specialist.
Six months ago, I woke with a pain in my abdomen that got
progressively worse. I went to the ER and they misdiagnosed it as
a ruptured ovarian cyst and sent me home. It was actually my
appendix and it ruptured while I was at the ER. I was very sick
over the next day but the actual pain from peritonitis didn't set
in until the following night. The ER properly diagnosed it this
time and I had surgery for it. During the surgery a cyst on each
ovary was seen but neither had ruptured. The peritonitis was
severe and I was in the hospital on two IV antibiotics for 8
days and had to continue on antibiotics for 3 weeks following to
clear up the infection.
Over the next 8 weeks of packing the open incision and seeing the
nurse practioner to check it, I complained that my abdomen was
still quite sore, distended and I was having pain with stomach
and bowel function. I was told it was normal.
Three months ago, the fertility specialist wanted to do a
sonogram to check for the cysts that the surgeon had found during
the surgery. He said he could see curtains of scar tissue with
fluids trapped in it above my uterus ~ inflammatory cysts. He
located my right ovary and said he also thought he could see my
left ovary and tube suspended above my uterus in the scar tissue.
He wasn't able to identify any ovarian cysts at the time. He
recommended I see a gastroenterologist. Thinking the scar tissue
may be causing my abdominal pain. The gastroenterologist
requested I have a CT scan done and it was on 4/28. The upper
abdominal came back fine but they found a mass in the pelvic
exam. This was the finding:
There is a complex pelvic mass identified. It measures 10 cm in
diameter. The mass is sufficiently large that it is situated
predominantly in the mid line, but the upper most aspect deviates
to the left. Tentative identification is made of a separate,
normal right ovary, suggesting this may be of left adnexal
origin. The mass is predominantly cyst, with foci of mural
thickening, including a 2 cm mural nodule. Septation is noted.
The appearance is indeterminate, and precludes exclusion of a
cystic ovarian neoplasm. With the history of endometriosis a
differential diagnosis is a possibility.
This is where I get confused. The gastroenterologist met with the
head of radiology, reviewed the films and they thought it was my
ovary and could be cancer. The gastroenterologist sent me back to
my fertility specialist for surgery. The fertility specialist
read the report and said he didn't think it was my ovary . . .
even though he had just told me he thought he saw it there. He
did say "if" it was my ovary that it could be endometriosis that
has caused the condition. He sent me back to the surgeon that did
my appendectomy. The surgeon felt positive it's a cystic mass
from the peritonitis and not my ovary. He wanted to do a CT
guided aspiration of it. The surgeon met with a group of
radiologists at the hospital to review my films and discuss the
procedure. They refused to do it stating they thought it was my
ovary and could be cancer. They decided to do another sonogram to
see if they could better decide what the mass was. They weren't
able to identify it any better and recommended surgery to remove
it intact.
At that point the surgeon decided it would be best if I saw a
gynecological oncologist. I saw him last month and he said he wasn't
able to palpate anything so he was sure it wasn't my ovary. He
also added that he wouldn't do surgery even though I've had
substantial pain. BUT he wants to assist my surgeon anyway. Also,
concern has been expressed regarding surgery because of the scar
tissue and the high possibility of rupturing my intestines and
getting peritonitis again. For the last two weeks they've been
trying to schedule the two doctors and the OR . . . I'm still
waiting.
Can you explain to me exactly what the CT results mean? My
actual questions are:
1. I have researched ovarian cancer and have all the symptoms but
understand that a cyst could cause them too. Seeing how I just
had surgery in October and February and cancer was not found
then, how could they think it could be there, at this stage, now?
It is not likely to be cancer for the reasons you said. You have
a lot of adhesions and when that is present, no one can really
say until they look at the time of surgery. The fact the
oncologist can't feel a mass on pelvic exam would be consistent
with bowel adhesions (a lot of them) causing this ultrasound and
CAT scan picture. The reason the non-surgeons think there may be
cancer is because the x rays show a very complex mass which many
malignancies will also show. Those doctors are ignoring your
other surgical and medical history and not including it in their
assessment of the probability of cancer.
2. If the cyst cannot be felt, why is it causing problems like
ovarian cancer? Could that be the scar tissue and inflammation
instead?
Yes it can. There's no way to differentiate on the basis of
symptoms except cancer usually produces much less pain if any.
3. Here's a really silly question . . . could the inflammation in
my abdomen be causing inflammation in my joints also?
Some abdominal infections can give joint pain if you are septic
(bacteria from infection in blood stream) but I don't think you
are at this point. Anything is possible but the connection is
uncertain.
4. What questions should I be asking prior to surgery. Any other
comments you have I would find extremely helpful. Sorry this was
so long :)
I would guess you have severe adhesive disease involving the
bowel and pelvic organs. You may need to be prepared for possible
bowel injury (with colostomy) or need to remove some or all of
the pelvic reproductive organs. I think its a good idea to have
both the oncologist and the reproductive specialist involved in
the surgery. You will have to make a tough decision as to whether
the primary goal of the surgery is to reduce/cure the pain or to
preserve fertility function.
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